The Practice of Therapy

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Whitney Owens 0:41
Hi, I'm Whitney Owens. If you don't know me, I am the person behind the wise practice podcast, which is part of the site craft network of podcasts. I am so proud to be a part of this network along with my good friend Gordon Burr, who's doing such amazing work on helping people on their practice journey. If you haven't discovered the Wasp practice podcast yet, you can find it anywhere you listen to podcasts. I'd love for you to join us as we explore how to grow a faith based practice that brings you the income you need and the lifestyle you want. Be sure to check out the podcast and other helpful information at Whitney owens.com. There you will learn more about the wise practice community how to become a member as well as information on the 2023 wise practice Summit. And hey, site craft network is a sponsor, so hope you can make it.

Gordon Brewer 1:35
Little over 15 years ago when I started my private practice, I had to learn a lot and most of it the hard way, and I don't think you need to do the same. I am Gordon Brewer, a licensed psychotherapist, and welcome to the practice of therapy podcast, part of the site craft network a podcast join me in this journey of discovery as we have conversations with other leaders and professionals in both the mental and allied health fields. Join us as we explore both the business and clinical sides of running a private practice.

Well, hello, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Gordon Brewer. And this is episode number 262, the practice of therapy podcast. And so glad you've joined us. And if this is your first time listening to the podcast welcome. And if you're coming back for more glad you're back and glad you're following us. And with me on this journey. I'm looking forward to hearing from my guest today Steve B's B song. And Steve is another therapist and fellow podcaster. And he has a podcast called Finding your way through therapy where he has conversations with people about being in therapy and that sort of thing. But Steve has got a fascinating story and a really a really cool niche as well. And so I'm looking forward to you hearing my conversation with Steve about his private practice journey and kind of how He's landed where he's landed, as I like to say in the introductions, but before we get to Steve, real quickly, though, I'd love for you to find out more about the Google workspace for therapists course. And in particular, I'm just let you letting people know, I'm in the process of updating the course. And what I'm gonna do with this process is I'm gonna inviting other people to collaborate with me on this. So if you're using Google workspace, in your practice in some form or fashion, and you've got some sort of hack or tip or something you want to teach about using Google workspace, I'd love for you to apply to my updates, updates group or whatever. So you can go to practice of therapy.com/gw SW updates, if you'd like to be a contributor to the updates of the course. Now the Google workspace for therapists course has been out for some time now. I think I first published it back in 2017 or so I guess. But it's been around a while. And needless to say Google just goes through lots of updates. And so the course has changed over time. And it's time to update it as well. But again, that's part of the collaboration. Reason for me wanting to collaborate with people and get people to contribute to the course because one of the things that came out of my starting that course or getting it out there is also a started the Facebook group Google workspace for therapists and And that groups got well over 9000 members now, which just blows my mind. So the course is just intended to help people get an idea of how they can use the various tools in Google workspace for your practice. Just as kind of a practice management tool. There are some people that are using it as a particularly those people that aren't necessarily insurance base using it some to help keep some of their electronic records and that sort of thing. But all of that can be done in a HIPAA secure way. And if you're using your paid version of Google workspace so anyway, you can find out more about the course if you're interested. And if you have not enrolled in the course and would like to, anytime someone enrolls in the course, they have lifetime access. Plus, they get access to any of the updates to the course as you hear me talking about it. So it's a pretty good, pretty good deal for people. So you can go to practice of therapy.com and just click on the courses button that you'll see at the top of the webpage. And that'll get you to the right place to check it out. So love for you to go check it out, if you will. And also before we get to my conversation with Steve, I'd love for you to hear from our sponsor of the podcast therapy notes.

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Gordon Brewer 8:56
Well, hello, everyone, and welcome again to the podcast. And I'm so glad for you to get to know Steve this song. Welcome, Steve.

Steve Bisson 9:04
Thank you. Well, yes, I'm looking forward to meeting you too. I haven't talked to you in

Gordon Brewer 9:07
a while. Yes, yes. So. So Steve, and I connected through our podcasting circles and that sort of thing. And I'm really looking forward to you to getting to know his story. So, Steve, as I start out with everyone, why don't you tell folks a little bit about yourself and how you've landed where you've landed?

Steve Bisson 9:26
I am a mental health counselor. I'm born and raised in Montreal, and that's why you see me so I'm not bison. I've been in the United States since 1999. And now an American citizen as of last year, so yes, very likely to be a citizen now. I came here because Montreal in Montreal was got my Bachelor's at McGill University couldn't get a job up there. And so I decided that, you know, I saw this thing on in the Montreal Gazette that had a boat on it, and I'm like, I'm thinking I'm going to work on a boat. Apparently a boat is in Framingham, Massachusetts. So who knew but and that's pretty landlocked, but I worked for a nonprofit organization for 15 years, they helped me get my Master's at assumption University in Western Massachusetts, and I have been a mental health counselor since 2003. Really enjoyed my work. I've been in private practice for about 10 years. And I've had a podcast for about a year and a half.

Gordon Brewer 10:19
Oh, wow. Wow. That's great. That's great. So what tell us a little bit about your kind of your niche and your specialties and that sort of thing?

Steve Bisson 10:28
Well, I, you know, I worked with the nonprofit, I went to work at different places, and a criminal justice system, I like to call it community justice system. So I worked in a jail first, I worked at parole then. And then I got probation, I worked in what they now call recovery courts. And it used to be called drug courts. And I ended up working also with the police in a diversion program, that's now called the coal response model. So I got to really talk to a lot of those individuals and see where their issues come from. And a lot of it had to do with, you know, the stigma, how to reach out to people. And, you know, everyone's saying to them, like, you chose this job, you need to put up with it, and no one chooses to put up with trauma. I mean, that's not what we sign up for. So I really wanted to work with individuals with trauma, I wanted to work with the first responders because I know I can lift the stigma. And my straight to the point, no pun intended, that's the name of my company. Straight to the point therapy is kind of like really refreshing a lot of the guys really appreciate that. I just feel like we want people in the community who are taking good care of our safety, probably to be stable mentally call me crazy.

Gordon Brewer 11:47
Yeah, and and just certainly much needed. I know, got some family members that are in law enforcement and first responders and that sort of thing. And I know, in my conversations with them, they, you know, I think the trauma that they go through, I think it goes unrecognized. And I think there's probably, you know, a term that we use a lot is vicarious trauma. I think there's a lot of that that goes on for first responders.

Steve Bisson 12:17
And I think that's also mis understood that the trauma that they go through is not like the first trauma you see could be the 27 could be the first one. But typically, what I've had is that people have accumulated a lot of this stuff. And then they have kind of response, precarious trauma is one of them. And, you know, let's not forget that trauma and PTSD are two different things. And I think that trauma needs to be treated as such, and not necessarily give everyone a PTSD label necessarily, they can have that. But I don't throw that label around easily, because there is some stuff that comes from that.

Gordon Brewer 12:51
Right, right. Yeah. So you've you've made Canada's journey through working in kind of in the judo in the justice system, and then also in kind of an agency settings and different forms and fashions. And then you made the transition to private practice. So tell us about that transition and how that came about for you.

Steve Bisson 13:16
Yes, so I cheated just like just about everyone, I started my private practice at the same time as I was working for that nonprofit organization. And, you know, by working with the first responders and that agency, they kind of like noticed that like, well, I'm you know, Steve works well with first responders a straight through a point guy, he's gonna give you no BS, he's gonna just get it. So I ended up getting a lot of referrals in that way. And I'm also trained in eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. So again, a lot of people who are having trauma issues and want to process the stuff that may be older. What I've noticed, what I've also said to a lot of people is that I really want to give people hope that there's life after all this, and that they can get through this, the memory is going to be there. I think that that's one of the biggest misconception therapy will not fix the memory, the memory is going to be there. It's just not having that strong reaction to it. That's really the key. And that's the journey I've taken. I've worked with a lot with depression and anxiety. And I really enjoyed working with that too. Because changing the thought process is so essential. And I've been very lucky and fortunate to have like full referrals for about four years, five years. So even before the pandemic, and I'm just very grateful that people have done that. I just hope that I give people the space to be themselves, but I also want to call them on stuff that they're trying to avoid. So that's kind of how I work.

Gordon Brewer 14:47
Right, right. Yeah. So you made that transition into private practice. were you seeing kind of the same niche of clients as you were in the agency setting or did it change a little bit?

Steve Bisson 15:00
Well, just like anything else that changes with time. So my first referrals were first responders or people with substance use issues. The reason why working in the community justice system, you see a lot of people with substance use issues, and they don't take the mental health part of it. And I think that it's very important. In Massachusetts, you can trade you can see both Substance Abuse and Mental Health at the same time. Check with your local state officials in case you know, cuz some places it's treated separately. So I got a lot of those referrals and people would be like, you know, there's a probation are out in here, I wasn't working with probation anymore, can you work with him? Or if I was, you know, someone had a problem with the police to say, look, this guy really needs help. So I got a lot of those referrals sent to me, besides the first responders, which, you know, I really liked doing that I eventually, like, I still work with substance use, don't get me wrong, I think that, for me, I've got my my point of view is where we all have an addiction. I think that we're all addicted to something, some of it healthy, some of it's not so much. And so I work with addiction now. But mostly, like the trauma stuff that I that I talked about earlier. The reason why is just by default, I mean, they became my name my niche, I think that what you know, you know, hopefully, with people like you, Gordon that are very, very good at training people. I started off with no niche niche, and I just took everyone that came along. I'm a, I'm a I'm training, children and family therapy. That's actually my degree from assumption. Today, I see no children, no families. But at the beginning, I was taking him on and I'm like, no, no, no, stop, Steve, you don't like. So I think that what I really saw is that you can take a niche and be okay with that. And I think that a lot of people struggle with doing that originally in programs like yours going and really benefit a whole lot of people.

Gordon Brewer 16:53
Right, right. Yeah. I was, as you were saying all that I was just kind of remembering how it was for me. When I moved into private practice, what was interesting is, is that I was to was working for an agency and we mainly worked with, at risk children and youth. And so when I went into private practice, I really switched over to working more, with adults and couples and that kind of thing. And really realized, you know, down the road is that I wasn't, you know, the, the agency I wasn't I was working for really wasn't a great niche for me. Because I didn't really enjoy working with children that much. It's not that I don't like children and, or that sort of thing. But as my daughter used to say, when she was little as I sucked at playing Barbies, so I just at him, I didn't really have didn't have as good of, I guess a gift or talent to kind of connect with younger folks is that they adults and couples and that kind of thing. So that's a

Steve Bisson 17:55
I've also said to people, it's not working with kids that bothered me, it's working with the parents. Yeah, because I think that some of the kids just have the genuine wanting to change. But you know, if you don't have the parents on board, which typically, you know, is very difficult. That's the part I didn't like, personally. So when you said that I'm like, Oh, I gotta say that, because it's, yeah, yeah, that's just what happened.

Gordon Brewer 18:16
Yeah, that's, that's very, very true. And so I think, to your point, though, Steve, is that I think, as we as we move through all of this, our focus and our, our niches can change, and we can, and I think as much as anything, give ourselves permission to do that, like, like you said, you had originally gotten your, your degree in, you know, family and children. And that might change over time. And all of that skill set translates well, to a lot of different areas.

Steve Bisson 18:53
I agree. And I think that that's what we learn too, because I can bring those skills, and then some of the skills you kind of like force when you're doing a certain niche, like having children and family. And I'm like, Why do I want to force myself and then I fall, I'm a cognitive behavioral therapist, mostly, besides the trauma work. So I found that so much more reachable with adults. And maybe I'll go back to children and family, you know, doing the, you know, the family systems is great, but that's not my strength, but maybe my strength and 10 years, I think that it's important to kind of give yourself some openness, because if you don't have some openness, you tend to skate get stuck at where you're

Gordon Brewer 19:33
at. Right, right. Yep. And I think that's, again, our skill set is therapists and counselors translates in a lot of ways across a lot of different venues and and career kinds of choices. So yeah, so that to change gears a little bit, I know one of the things that you've kind of moved into as well as coaching, and then also you've started your pod castes. So telfa tell us about all of that.

Steve Bisson 20:03
Well, let's start off a little bit with the coaching. So emotional management coaching was actually launched officially in December of 2022. So very recent for most people, I saw a need that people understand their feelings. And what I mean by that is we default to what's comfortable to ourselves. So if anger is comfortable for you to fall to egg, or if your sadness is comfortable for you, you go to sadness, but behind sadness, behind anger behind fear, there's another complex set of emotions that go with that it's not simple fear. The example I give is, well, I'm very comfortable with Gordon looking forward to it and happy to do your podcast, there's a little fear of what I'm going to say next, and how it's gonna go. You know, and there's some trepidation that goes with that, and acknowledging all those emotions can help you move forward. And I think that that's part of it. I'm, obviously I think that there's a lot more than what I just said, for my emotional management coaching. But it's essentially where we want to get to. And the other thing too, is I find coaching to be reachable for people outside of my state. So my licensure is for Massachusetts alone. So by being able to be a coach, I feel like I can reach so many more people, which has always been one of my goals. I mean, you know, people talk about what their legacy is going to be, I don't know what my legacy is going to be, frankly. But being able to get a legacy of helping people in emotional management, and helping people deal with that. I don't want to limit that to Massachusetts alone, and like to bring in a lot of people on board and speaking French myself, as my first language. You know, I'd love to work with people from Quebec, France. Any other country that speaks French? So that's why I started that. So that's part of the issue. Working in meant adjust therapy in your little area. But yeah, you know, you know, those difficulties?

Gordon Brewer 21:54
Right, right. Yeah. So you know, I think one question that comes up for a lot of people as they move, kind of move into the coaching realm, how do you define for yourself really kind of the difference between therapy and coaching.

Steve Bisson 22:07
It's interesting, because it was on my podcast, someone put it into simple terms. And I love the simple terms to use, because that's the type of guy I am. Therapy is almost like the past and how to process the past, in order to move better future wise, coaching is to look at the present and how you're going to change in the future and where we're going to get to in the future and how to set goals and set boundaries around that. So I think that that's how I defined someone defined it. And I really enjoyed the fact that it was a simple way of explaining, I'm not talking about your past, if it's your past, you need to go to therapy, you need to address that in therapy, if we're setting goals for managing our emotions, where we're going to go in the future, how we're going to balance the Mind, Body Spirit, that's all the future. That's what coaching is all about. And that's what I do in emotion management.

Gordon Brewer 22:50
Right, right. Yeah, I love that. I, I like that definition. Another one I would add to that is, I heard again, somebody on my podcast, kind of defined it as, you know, therapy, like you said, works with stuff from the past and our, you know, what, what we're dealing with internally and all of that sort of thing. Whereas coaching is more helping people kind of work through a specific problem of, you know, that sort of thing. But, yeah, it really is I think about what you describe Steve, really kind of your niche with your coaching is really teaching people emotional intelligence, as much as anything.

Steve Bisson 23:30
Emotional intelligence, and emotional code is so important for that. I mean, I'm I love to read, I like to learn and, you know, you talked about earlier with therapy, I think for coaching, this is where I am today, where I'm going to be in the year may or may not be the same place. And that's okay, because you get more information and you get more informed as to what you want to work on. So to me, like the coaching is so beneficial because it is a moveable. What's the best word I can say target because you can get to different things. Because maybe you learn that you know what, embracing that spirituality helps people manage their emotions better. So getting to that point, how do we get to a spiritual belief system that helps and is providing to you? So I think that that's your right, I think that thinking about it as you know, the future and how to manage all as very important. I agree.

Gordon Brewer 24:23
Right. Right. Yeah, that's a I think that's a good distinction. And I think that there are a lot of people that, you know, coaching really could actually help them more than than therapy does. And so I think, you know, it's not one size fits all kind of thing.

Steve Bisson 24:40
And honestly, I have my mental health therapist, I work on stuff with him. And I have my business coach, and I work with her on different things, and they're very different and I think that sometimes we limit ourselves to one or the other. Why can't we be have both? I mean, I know someone who has, you know, a mental health counselor has Someone who does their coaching for life, and then they have a business coach. And it really helps them in all those realms. And sometimes that's better. Because you know, business coaching may not be your thing if you're a life coach. So get helping yourself is by getting all these resources available to you.

Gordon Brewer 25:16
Right, right. Very, very good point. And I think, you know, again, just kind of reflecting on how it is, for me in my, in my life, I have a therapist that I work with regularly. And then I have my mastermind groups where other business people that we do we deal with, specifically, business issues, and growing our practices and all that kind of thing. So that's Yeah, very good point. So yeah, go ahead.

Steve Bisson 25:44
No, I was just gonna say the other point, too, about emotional management in the future, is that we look at what you're doing now. And how it's going to grow your you in the future. I think growth in that way, is also another way to think about coaching.

Gordon Brewer 25:56
Yeah, yeah. Good. Good. So tell us about your podcast. That's exciting.

Steve Bisson 26:03
Well, I can describe it in an easy way. Because I love my podcast, I really enjoy doing what I do. I think it's another way to get the message out there and helping people all over the place. It started off when I wrote a book called Finding your way through therapy. And someone said, you know, your chapters are really podcasts. You know, they're it's a good book, but how about you do a podcast on one of them is called trauma and PTSD are not the same. And so I'm like, Okay, I'll do that. And I home and hot for about eight months. And then someone told me just press record. And then you'll be fine. And yeah, you listen to my first episode, it might be a little more robotic, for lack of a better word. But as we go along, and how I've grown, I'm up to 180 or so episodes a little more than that right now. And I've seen, you know, I've met with guests that are regularly I always tell people, I have a couple of regular guests. And the reason why they're regular guests are people I know. And we have a good chemistry, it really works well. And I have people like me from all walks of life. And you know, this is where you can open up so many things with the podcast. I love talking to a coach from Minnesota who talks about money, and then talk about someone who does anxiety coaching out in. I think she's in Hong Kong, and then working with someone who talks about her own physical coaching down in South Carolina and everywhere in between, I'm just giving those obviously. Yeah, but it it's just being able to tell people Yes, finding your way through therapy is not Steve's method. It could be jailed, John, Gordon, Lisa, whoever it is, Ryan, my podcast is so fun for that. And it brings me to other points of view. Sometimes. I mean, I had someone who did. I'm, you know, if people go and check me out, I don't look exactly like a dancer. But someone brought in expressive therapy. And we started talking about that. And I'm like, well, actually, you know, I do do a little bit of expressive therapy. That's what a podcast is. And I think that what you know, what I've always enjoyed, too, is getting a little bit of what I like to do. And part of the podcast is also not just me interviewing people, I'll go enjoy that. I also put in my you know, I've recently done my reviews on my own chapters, I mean, two years removed, you want to see if you if it's still true or not. So I kind of reviewed my own chapters critically, and that was helpful. And then start talking about stuff as easy as you know, we're talking about the Olympics last year, for example, and when someone was having issues with their mental health and not being able to participate, how do we accept that? And how do we stop like judging people because it is hard to talk about mental health? Right,

Gordon Brewer 28:49
right. You know, one of the things that I think is a love about this is the fact that and we've seen this, you know, as Derek, I don't know, if it's fair to say we're coming out of the COVID pandemic or not, but like, it's, it's here for a while, but I know one of the things that is kind of been a silver lining of that is it gave people the freedom to think to talk about mental health and the fact that that is, you know, everyone, everyone deals with it at different levels. And I think when you can hear other people's stories, about their own struggles and the way that they've dealt with it and the way they've kind of worked through it, it really gives people the freedom to change and and also just feel not so alone. And and

Steve Bisson 29:41
I agree 100% I think that that's why finding your way through therapy, pretty much every single interview I have I think question number two is usually the standard. Have you been in therapy? What was your experience? So that way people don't feel so alone and maybe their experience was different than yours and that's okay, and maybe it was good or bad. Ultimately, I just want to create that there's no stigma about therapy. And ultimately, I give a little bit of my tidbits to like, I'm not everybody's cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that. You don't like working with me, hey, no harm, no foul, it's fine. Someone else. And that's what therapy is all about. And I think that that's also besides the, like you said, the opening of, you know, the talk about mental health since the pandemic started, and I'm with you, I don't know if it's over. I just opens up that ability to say, wait a minute therapy can work for me. And I think that that's something that had so much stigma, even three years ago.

Gordon Brewer 30:34
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's, yeah, no, I think it's, you know, hopefully, you know, we're moving out of that whole stigmatized thing around mental health. And I think so. I think too, it's, you know, I'm gonna sound like I'm will put on my old fart hat here. But it's, it's, I think it's is generational as well. I know. Not to, uh, you know, I'm in that, hate to say it, and people can go ahead and say to me, okay, Boomer, I'm of the boomer generation. And there was a lot of stigma around mental health and in that generation, but I think, you know, now that we're, more and more people are talking about it there. Yeah, it's less stigma.

Steve Bisson 31:17
I agree. 100%. And you're saying you're a boomer. I'm a Generation X, sir. And you know, a little bit of what I share with people, I share my story in my podcast, and one of them is at 12 years old, my best friend died in a fire. And when we heard it on the news, I heard his name. My parents turned to me and said, he played football with me, my parents turned to me and said, well, that sucks. Now, you know, you got to work harder on Saturday for your football game. And there was my whole grief process. And that's, you know, I'm not blaming my parents, anyone listening to that, or hopefully my mom is not listening. But if she is, I'm not blaming her whatsoever. That was the sign of the times. And I think that that's, you know, she was a boomer, she is a boomer, he is he was a boomer. And it's not gone completely. But I think that by lifting the stigma from a Generation X, or from a boomer from whoever you want to talk about, I think that we're just doing a lot of the stuff that will help, you know, future generations, either through our podcasts that we do, or anybody else for that matter, just to get away from like, okay, mental health is just like physical health. It's the same exact thing. Am I

Gordon Brewer 32:25
right, right. Yeah. And what it comes down to is, I think, with all of this is helping people learn how to, as I like to say, sit with their emotions, but also be accepting of their emotions. I'm not putting in any judgment on that. And that, yeah, also that there are some emotions that absolutely suck, and absolutely painful. But we move through that, and people equipping people to move through it without feeling a sense of panic, or that kind of thing around it.

Steve Bisson 32:59
And you talk about, you know, the panic. And, you know, I think people have this perception that some others have it easy. I don't know anyone who has any easy life, they have some good moments, and maybe they have more good moments, but they still have a hard time. And I think that that's the other part of mental health that you just talked about lifting that stigma of it can be hard for anyone, even the ones who looked so happy. And you know, we've had a few examples, unfortunately, of suicide in recent months. That shows that even as you're happy as you can be, because it might be stigma stigmatized. Maybe it's because you don't want to reach out it's very difficult to redress. So that's what hopefully we're doing through these podcasts and coaching and everything else.

Gordon Brewer 33:43
Right, right. Well, Steve, I want to be respectful of your time. And I really glad we had this conversation. And, and folks, I'm sure you're gonna get to hear Steve some more on this podcast and other podcasts. But Steve, tell folks how you can get they can get in touch with you and connect with you.

Steve Bisson 34:02
And there's many ways but you can definitely go to my website, Steve dash b sound.com. And there is a way to view the link right to my email. From there. You can also go to Instagram where I am the it's in my Instagram is real Steve visa. I like to say rial but maybe that's my own French side. But and you can also listen to my podcast just about every platform finding your way through therapy on every platform that you can think of.

Gordon Brewer 34:29
Well, Steve, it's been a pleasure chatting and I hope that we can get together again here soon.

Well, again, thanks to Steve for being on the podcast and I'm sure you'll get to hear more from Steve here before before too long. And you know the other thing too about my conversation with Steve has really those are the kinds of meaningful conversations that are will enjoy, really enjoy having here on the podcast, you know, with this podcast, my, my goal is to let you hear from people that are going to give you good information and also be maybe a little bit motivational or be inspiring to you. And just thinking about your own practice and your own work and this whole mental health field. And I know my conversation with Steve just kind of reinforced that for me as well. And this is why I love doing this podcast. And also, be sure to check out Steve's podcast your way through therapy. And you can find it wherever you listen to podcasts. And we'll have some links here for you to connect with Steve. And, yeah, thanks to Steve for being on the podcast. And I think I'm going to be on his podcast before too terribly long. But yeah, we're getting that getting the details of that worked out. So also, if you're interested in being a contributor to the updates of the practice of therapy, Google workspace for therapists course, again, you can go to practice of therapy.com/gw SW updates, and apply to be a contributor, I'd love to hear from you. So be sure to check that out. And also, a quick shout out here to my other fellow podcasters that are part of the site craft network. Steve mentioned in this in this episode, our mutual friend Lisa mustard, and Lisa is part in her podcast, the therapy show is part of the site craft network. And so you can find out about Lisa's podcast and several others by going to site craft network.com. And sub network that we formed back in 2022. And I'm really excited about you hearing from those other people that are in this podcasting therapy, self help space because yeah, I just feel like, you know, a big believer in podcast, as you might guess, anyway, not to go too far down the rabbit hole again. So thanks again, for listening. Be sure and follow us wherever you might be listening to your podcasts. And also, just a quick reminder to check out our sponsor of the podcast therapy notes. And you can go to practice of therapy.com/therapy notes. And you can also use the promo code Gordon just gr d o n to get two months of their services for free to try them out. So be sure to check them out there who I use in my practice and really a big believer in what they are offering and they're constantly updating things. And they've really had some really cool improvements over the last several months and years just by listening to their subscribers. So it's really a great platform, so be sure to check it out. So take care folks got again, lots of great guests lined up for the podcast and looking forward to being with you again next week.

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