The Practice of Therapy

Gordon Brewer 0:00
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This is the practice of therapy podcast with Gordon Brewer, helping you to navigate your private practice journey.

This is session number 176 of the practice of therapy podcast. Hello, folks, I'm Gordon Brewer, hope you're doing well and hope that you are having a good week or weekend wherever you might be listening to this, I know that as I'm recording this, I'm getting ready to start the weekend and looking outside. And it's just too pretty to be inside doing this. But I'm love doing this anyway. But I got to get outside because it's just, it's just a beautiful day. But anyway, glad for you to be with me if this is your first time listening to the podcast. Welcome. And I hope you're subscribed, subscribe to the podcast, wherever you might be listening to it. So glad for you to and excited about this episode. And actually the next two episodes, I've got some really special people with me. And it's turning out to work out pretty well with as far as the timing. As I've mentioned before, one of the things that I love doing is being part of mastermind groups. And the mastermind group that I'm currently in has got some special folks, cat, Whitney Owens, and I've got Jessica top Hannah and Uriah, Guilford and myself, get together regularly and just do mastermind stuff together and just talk about our practices and our businesses and our goals and that sort of thing. But this week, I've got my friend, Uriah Gilford on the podcast. And if you don't know about Uriah, he's got a podcast called the productive therapist. And it is one that I just absolutely love. In fact, with Uriah, I just recently, bands listened to several of his episodes. And I don't know if I've hit all of them yet, but pretty close to it. But I think you're just going to love Uriah and just our conversation around productivity and just managing our time. I know that our mastermind group that we just recently had, that was one of the things that we were talking about with each other is how do you juggle several things I know, a lot of us. I know for me, I'm not only running a private practice, but also

keeping up with another business, the practice of therapy. And then just juggling all I've got to juggle at home with as I've mentioned, my wife is disabled and so just concerned about her care and doing all of those things. And I know for a lot of you out there with kids in this past year, with COVID and having to do homeschool. And just all of that time just seems like there's never enough of it. And so in this episode I'm going to be taught you Uriah and I talked about that, and some of the things that he some hacks that he has taught and also talk about the the mini course that he's got. And it's on getting control of your inbox. And so I'm excited for you to hear more about that. But before we get to my conversation with Uriah you know one of the things I wanted to let you know about some of the most common questions I get asked by my consulting clients, and also listeners of the podcast is just around transitioning from solo practice to group practice and how to bring on other therapists in having your own group practice. And because leading and owning my own group practice has been such an important part of my own professional journey, I wanted to share a resource that I've created with my friend and fellow practice owner, Dr. David Hall over at Site Maven, if you go over to practice of therapy.com slash group, you can access a free automated webinar, and it's called solo to group practice, adding more threat therapist to grow your time and income. And in this webinar, David and I share some of the most important lessons we've learned in our own journey as private practice owners and we also give some practical tips

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Unknown Speaker 7:58
Hello, everyone, and

Gordon Brewer 7:59
welcome again to the podcast. And I'm so excited to have you right Guilford with me and Uriah and I have recently connected and are in a mastermind group together, which has just been great. And I'm really enjoying to get to know Uriah and knew I had to have him on the podcast. So welcome Uriah.

Uriah Guilford 8:21
Thanks, Gordon. I'm thrilled.

Gordon Brewer 8:22
Yeah, and one of the things I'm going to say is that Uriah has one of the best podcasts out there. They're productive. They're pistons, I'm going to give a shout out here on the front end, and we're going to be talking some more about that. But you're Ryan, why don't you tell folks a little bit more about you and kind of how you've landed where you've landed within your own private practice?

Uriah Guilford 8:44
Absolutely. Yes. Thanks so much for having me on the podcast. This is this is awesome. So I'm a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Northern California. So just above San Francisco, and I've had a group practice here serving teens and families for about six years. And then about four years ago and 2017. I actually, as a result of being in a mastermind actually kind of interesting story started productive therapists to kind of solve my own need for part time administrative support, specifically in the intake coordinator role. And then over after a little bit of time, I realized that a bunch of my therapist friends had similar needs, and it kind of spontaneously a little organically grew into this legitimate, a full on virtual assistant business. That's been an absolute blast to create and is honestly one of my biggest passions right now. So that's, that's the super short version.

Gordon Brewer 9:39
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so as I mentioned, you, Ryan, I are in a mastermind group together. And we're, we're really working hard to hold ourselves accountable for a lot of the stuff we're working on just within our practices, but also, as consultants in this whole private practice consulting space, but You know, one of the things that and that I just get real excited about and I was telling Uriah that I've been binge listening to his podcast here lately but but Uriah is one of those productivity gurus I aspire to be that when I grow up as to be a productivity guru, but but Uriah has really whittled down some of the things that we would deal with every day within our practices around productivity, particularly, like email for her for one. And I know, I would be embarrassed to show people my inbox right now. But one of the things that urai has put together as is this is I'll let Uriah tell about it, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna mess it up here as your I tell folks about

Uriah Guilford 10:48
No worries. Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking, as you were talking, I like I don't know if my interest in productivity is because I'm ambitious. Or it's because I'm lazy. It's one of the other maybe write a little bit of both, but I like the idea of being as efficient as possible, so that I can, you know, get work done, and then get back to life and, and having fun, those kind of things. So yeah, I'm, I am a huge technology nerd. So as well as productivity. And so one of the things that I've been thinking about a lot lately is email management.

Because it's, I mean, just between you and me, honestly, it's something that I constantly struggle with, because I do. I think like most of us, I get a ton of emails, and I have this constant temptation to be just spending too much time in my inbox. And I can do it for most of the day. And I can, quote, unquote, waste time. Yeah, right. Processing email, because it feels very productive. And it feels like I'm accomplishing things when I'm not actually getting the projects and the important things done. So I decided to create a seven day challenge for honestly, myself and for, for any therapists to help them sort of tame their inbox, or you know, conquer email, overwhelm, whatever you want to call it, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you're, you're talking about me again? Because, yeah, cuz I know. And listening to one of your podcasts, one of the one of the things that with email is that always feels it always feels urgent, when it really is. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I always think about email as somebody else's priorities for my day. Yes, yes. So usually,

on my computer, on the left, I've got my task list, like the priorities, the things that I need to do today. And then I open up my email, and then all sudden, I'm down 17, rabbit holes, you know, and I'm calling my, my web host is to solve a problem with my website. Oh, man, there goes. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. So So why don't we dive into that a little bit, just talking about productivity? And just, yeah, the email, the email thing? And, and I've got some thoughts on that, too. So yeah, tell tell. Tell us about that. Yeah, I'm actually super interested to see what's at some point, see what's inside of your Google workspace course. Because I'm pretty interested in that. I think maximizing those tools that Google provides us. Right, right is a huge benefit for all of us. Yeah. So I'll tell you one of the things that I'm taking my own advice, and turns out, it's pretty good. But I'm taking my own advice on this particular thing. And in my seven day email transformation challenge, there's basically seven days of tips that have pretty quick action steps. And on day two, I talked about batching, which I'm sure you're familiar with, maybe listeners are to just the simple idea of taking similar tasks, putting them together, doing them at the same time. So when you apply that to email, it means checking and processing email at certain times, but not throughout your day, not constantly. So one of the changes I've made just this week, actually is to every night or whenever my workday is done, actually close my email, so that when I get back to my computer The next day, I don't see it until I want to see it. Mm hmm. And then I created a schedule to basically check in process email three times a day, right o'clock, 12 o'clock, three o'clock, something like that. Right? I haven't been perfect. But I can tell you that it's made a huge difference this week so far, because I'm getting a lot more things done when I'm spending hours away from my inbox, because I don't know about you, but when I see things when I see emails that need to be responded to. I have this urge to go do it. Yeah, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Doesn't Right. Yeah. Yeah, it says Matter of fact, that happened just a few minutes ago for me. So I mean, it's just yeah, so it's just a crazy, crazy kind of phenomenon. Yeah, you know, they're tackling your inbox is

Gordon Brewer 14:54
I've gotten to the point where I probably get literally hundreds of emails every day, anywhere. from, you know, newsletters and things that I've subscribed to, to people in my practice, and then also with the practice of therapy, and it's really taken me a while to really get things down to where they're manageable. But there's one thing that I haven't quite gotten to, which is Inbox Zero, you want to talk about inbox zero. And what your thoughts on all of that.

Uriah Guilford 15:30
Yeah, so I don't think that's the most important thing for everybody. And for anybody who doesn't know what Inbox Zero is, it basically means processing all your email to the point where there's no, you know, there's zero emails in there, right? I personally like to do that. And I have a few tricks to to get there every every day if I can.

Although I'm not sure how much of it just my control issues versus like, actually, yeah, you know, being productive.

So I think, focusing on the important things, whether your inbox zero emails or 200, responding to the important people taking care of the things that are really top priority is, I think, the most important thing.

But I do personally, I don't know about you, but I personally love inbox zero. And I, one of the things that I used to do that is the snooze button in Gmail.

Unknown Speaker 16:21
Do you use that?

Gordon Brewer 16:22
I've started using it. Yeah, cuz I learned about that from you. And Alright, yeah, yeah, something that's been pretty cool.

Uriah Guilford 16:29
So as I as I've been paying less attention to my email, I'm not actually processing everything every day. Which is actually, it's hard for me to do that. But what I did last night, I was like, I'm done for the day, I've accomplished enough. And I literally checked the button to highlight all the emails that were in my inbox, click the snooze button, and I sent him to the next day at eight o'clock. Like, you know what, I'm dealing with that tomorrow. So it's a version of Inbox Zero. But it's really just kind of snoozing. The right that aren't urgent.

Gordon Brewer 17:00
Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's I don't know about any of the other ones. But that's, that's a feature within within Gmail. And I'll just say is your I mentioned, I put got a course out there called Google workspace for therapists. And it's just recently reopened. And so when this when this particular episode comes out, the cart will be open for you to go take a look at that. But anyway, that the thing about the thing about Gmail is it's got one some of the most powerful tools for organizing, of any email service that I'm aware of, I mean, as far as creating filters and having things to skip your inbox all together. And so I've really, really been honing in on that, again, another tip that I learned from Uriah, and his podcast was, what to do with all the newsletters that I get, because, again, those are never urgent. But they're stuff that I might want to look at later. And so creating a filter so that if it contains the word, unsubscribe somewhere in the email, it automatically goes to a new it gets labeled or tag to go into another ad on my inbox and into that folder as I like to call it.

Uriah Guilford 18:23
Yeah, I'm gonna get one. That's a gal.

Gordon Brewer 18:25
Yeah, it is. It is. So yeah. So when you when you think about productivity, Uriah What? What are the? What are some of the things to get started with that if a person is just feeling unorganized, and maybe overwhelmed by, you know, just either the practice or the life in general? What what are some starting places that you'd like that? You see?

Uriah Guilford 18:52
That's great question. I always go back to the framework that I've learned from Michael Hyatt, who's an author and a virtual business mentor. You heard of him? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm actually just reading his most recent book called when at work. And he's got this great framework for productivity. He calls it the three keys of productivity, which are elimination, automation, and delegation. So I like to talk to people about that and just strategize around what they can remove from their calendar and their to do list. Because we all have those things, right, though, especially as therapists if we're connected with, you know, Facebook communities or listening to these inspiring podcasts, we automatically add things that we think we need to be doing. So whatever you can eliminate from your schedule and from your to do this, it's just going to help you free up your time and focus on important stuff. And then automate anything that you can happen like we were talking about with the Gmail filters, for example, right? Things that you can cause to happen automatically, whether it's through your EHR software or through other tools. That's super, super helpful. And then the last one is my favorite, which is delegation, which ties into the virtual assistant support. But anything that you can get off your plate and have somebody else take care of for you is going to immediately free up your time and help you be more productive. Yeah, so that's kind of like the framework that I like to think about productivity through. And I really don't think that productivity is about working more or necessarily getting more done. It's just about using your time and your energy wisely.

Gordon Brewer 20:29
Right, right. Yeah, yeah. You mentioned just being able to delegate. And I know, in just consulting that I do with other people, one of the first places that I think people tend to hold off on delegating is, it's just really had their whole intake process of being a feeling like they got to answer all of the calls and answer people's questions and do all the scheduling and that sort of thing. And that will absolutely wear you down, which is absolutely the first most important place to outsource in my, in my opinion, where you're going to see an immediate return on your investment, by outsourcing those kinds of things. And I know, that's really kind of what one of your passions as well, and you started your whole company around that of, of finding virtual assistants. So yeah, you want to talk some more about that?

Uriah Guilford 21:26
Definitely, you know, what you're talking about there is I think one of the problems, I call it a problem of success, right. Because when you start a private practice, your goal is to, you know, get X number of sessions and clients per week, and maybe you have a revenue goal, or you've got all kinds of things that you imagine, but what you don't know in the beginning, is what it's gonna feel like when you get there. So when you have that for private practice, or when you start and grow a group practice, you don't know what it's gonna look like until you get into it. And I think what you're talking about there is handling all those intake calls, while tracing clients, while trying to update your QuickBooks while trying to you know, do all the things that you need to do, it becomes overwhelming, right. And despite what we mostly what a lot of us think, we're not necessarily the best person to be talking to folks and matching them. I think a lot of therapists do a really good job of that, obviously, you know, it's what we do for a living is we connect with people, and we help we help them. But you can absolutely find a competent person, whether it's a virtual assistant, or maybe somebody that you hire, that comes into your office to take over that role, and do as good of a job as you are doing or maybe even better. So. Right. Right. I like to tell this story that when I hired my first intake coordinator, I thought for sure, you know, like, he was a common thought, but nobody can do this as good as me, right. And for sure, his numbers are going to be lower his conversion rates, if you will, right, the number percentage of callers that become clients, and it was the exact opposite, that his numbers were actually better. And he did a better job of matching people with my therapist than I could, because when I would talk to somebody on the phone, they would feel connected to me and want to work with me. And then it was harder for me to pass them off to another therapist. So I was pleasantly surprised by that and and never have never gone back to now.

Gordon Brewer 23:23
Right? Yeah. And one thing I've learned just with our

virtual assistant, in my own practices is that,

you know, if you're, if you're busy seeing clients, that means there's going to be whole periods of time, within your day at which, you know, the naturally your your calls are going to go to voicemail, and people are going to leave you messages. And so in the meantime, there probably might be calling around to other other counselors or therapists trying to find somebody. Right. And but since since we've had an intake coordinator, that's their sole job, they're able to answer the phone, you know, during regular business hours. And it's, as you said earlier, just has had much, much higher conversion rate, in terms of retaining clients, and that's where they Am I just hired a new therapist, and she's already full. And so that's great. Yeah. And so it's just, yeah, it's pretty. It's, again, it's always a good return on your investment. You know, if you're paying somebody $30 an hour or something like that, to answer the phones for you, you're absolutely going to reap the benefit of that.

Uriah Guilford 24:36
Definitely. How long did you wait until you brought somebody on for that role?

Gordon Brewer 24:40
Well, way too long, probably. Because, yeah, so it's, it's interesting because I moved from in my own in my own group practice. I started out with having contractors, and so I had everything routed. I had a phone system set up to where it You were going to set an appointment with that particular person, or just routed them to them directly. I and so, but still, that was a problem of them getting a voicemail and not really answering things. And so really when it got to be I think what I started getting overwhelmed with trying to juggle everything is the point at which I hired an assistant and so Right, right, yeah, and that just made a huge difference.

Uriah Guilford 25:29
Yeah, you don't want to go back to you

Gordon Brewer 25:30
know, Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's fact. A fact I panic at the thought of my virtual assistant ever laid.

Uriah Guilford 25:37
Right. Yeah, absolutely. I feel the same.

Gordon Brewer 25:39
Yeah. All right. So, yeah. So, um, what are what are some other things that you've been working on your eye on here lately?

Uriah Guilford 25:50
Oh, my goodness. Well, what have I been working on? The most recent was the seven day email transformation challenge. So I would love for people to check that out. And I'll give you a link. So you can maybe put in the show notes?

Gordon Brewer 26:00
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. That's been pretty fun.

Uriah Guilford 26:05
working on improving my podcast, I'm also doing some hiring. And we're expanding our digital marketing services. So we help people with a number of things, virtual assistants that handle intake. The virtual assistants also handle like general administrative tasks. And then we also do some digital marketing, which has been a lot of fun. That's kind of another passion of mine. So we manage people's social media, we help them with blogs and podcasts. So basically, content marketing, marketing, the newest one there is we're actually helping people edit and promote their podcasts.

Gordon Brewer 26:39
Oh, wow. A lot of fun. Yeah, that bad. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a, again, just thinking about when I started this podcast, I was doing all of the editing and all of the recording and all of that sort of thing. And that was one place where I realized, okay, I got to have somebody else do this. Because it was taking me, you know, for, you know, for a 30 to 40 minute podcast, it was taking me four hours to get it all pulled together and get the show notes and all of that. And so, I've got my wonderful virtual assistant that does all of my podcast production, Rachel. So shout out to you, Rachel. I'm sure is, is that is just been a huge lifesaver for me. Just here. That's great. Yeah, yeah. Gordon, do

Uriah Guilford 27:31
you have a separate virtual assistant, one for intake and one for the podcast? Yes,

Gordon Brewer 27:35
they're really, really kind of keep the two parts of non business separate in that way. Yeah, that's, you know, it's just and things are the way things continue to grow. It's really I'm probably I've got my practice, the practice of therapy under the umbrella of my private practice, but that's probably gonna change this year. In fact, I'm gonna have a meeting with my accountant about that here before too long, but yeah, so it's, um, you know, learning all this business stuff, and just learning how to manage things in an effective way. And then, then just being able to juggle all the pieces is been real. been a challenge at times. So,

Uriah Guilford 28:19
yeah, that for sure.

Gordon Brewer 28:20
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah,

Uriah Guilford 28:22
I actually just I started productive therapist under the umbrella of my counseling Corporation, and kept it that way for the longest time, just because it was simple and easy. But then just January of this year, I split them off into two separate legal entities. So that that has so far has been a bit more work. I'll be honest, huh, of course, but definitely worth it. So they both you know, kind of exist on their own and have their own, you know, profit and loss statements and all that good stuff. Right. That was a good move. Good move for me so far.

Gordon Brewer 28:54
Right. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of speaking of productivity, I'm curious to find out from you. You know, one of the one of the things that I learned along the way not only from Michael Hyatt, which, by the way, I use the full focus planner, guy ever, I don't know that I we've actually shared that in our mastermind group, but I'm, I love my planner. But one of the one of the things that I learned in this was probably from David Allen's book, getting things done, which is another one that I would highly recommend. Although I was talking with someone this past week, they were reading it was a client of mine, actually. And they were reading the book and they were just talking about how overwhelming it was. And I'd say it's a good book and I love the G g t d system. But I think the Michael Hyatt systems a little more easy to navigate, and he's got another book. As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to listen to this. This newest book, when at work, when what is it called again? When at work and succeed at life? Yes, yeah, that's that was it. And I will have links again in the show notes to all that. But another one that he's got out is called free to focus. And then the best year ever. But anyway, where I was going with this before I get too far with tangent is, it's just the importance of being able to capture things as they come in, because we're constantly, you know, email is a classic example of that. But there's other things that get handed to us along the way that we want to attend to. What what are you finding is a good way to kind of capture things as you move through your day and through your weeks? and that sort of thing?

Uriah Guilford 30:45
Excellent question. So I recently got introduced to this term, this acronym, PK M, which stands for personal knowledge management, which basically encompasses how we take in and collect and sort of collate and access all kinds of information. If you just think about as a therapist, all of the CPUs that we go through and the trainings and all the information that we collect over time, it becomes hard to organize it and and find it when you need it. So I'm, I've been actually using Evernote, which probably a lot of people have heard of, it's been around for a long time. And I use that for basically everything. So whenever I have ideas, I literally have like 8000 documents in there. But the nice thing is that a lot of them are tagged, they're easily searchable. And so I use that to track my goals. And it's basically my second brain is what I call it. So anything that comes in that I need to capture, that's not if it's a to do, right, I put it in my to do manager, my task manager. But if it's anything else, I pop it into Evernote, and that's that's where it lives, including files, including all kinds of links and anything you can imagine.

Gordon Brewer 31:59
Right? Right. Yeah. And I've been use I used Evernote for a long time too. But I've switched over to Google Keep and, and I and it's very similar. Evernote has got is a little more hefty, and that it's got, I think a better way of just kind of sending things to people and being able to create notebooks and all that sort of thing, which I think is, is if you got a lot of stuff. And so I'm kind of using both. But when you mentioned your task manager, what are you using for that.

Uriah Guilford 32:36
I'm a huge fan of an app called to do list. And it like like most of them, it synchronizes you know, syncs to all all platforms. And it's really simple to use. But it's also very feature rich and stuff you can do just about anything you want to I use that actually with my team too. So in order to delegate things to my, you know, my podcast editor, or my virtual assistant, or various different people on my team, so we have, you know, shared projects within that. So that that works really well. How about you?

Gordon Brewer 33:05
Yeah, I've been I've been using Trello is, is one, another one that I've gotten recently familiar with, through my friend, Daniel fava. And he, we, we did a redesign of my practice website. And we used Asana, and for that, and that that was a very good one as well, I think there, there are some others. There's one called base camp, which is is really more of a communication kind of thing. But she can do projects and that sort of thing. But I think yeah, it's sometimes, like, I get Yeah, I get a bit nerdy over that. And just not for sure I can get, I can get kind of blinded by the lights. Like,

Uriah Guilford 33:51
I think about productivity to just use tools that work for you. Right, and don't change them. If you can help it don't change them. Unless you really need to. It can be tempting to do that. Especially sounds like for people like you and I. Yeah,

Gordon Brewer 34:06
yeah. Yeah.

Uriah Guilford 34:07
It'd be nice if Google tasks was actually a good app.

Gordon Brewer 34:10
Yeah, yeah. It was really not. It really doesn't have that many how much stuff to it. So no, yeah, yeah. So that would be but well, Uriah, I want to be respectful of your time. And I know people are just going to love this episode. But tell folks a little more about how they can get in touch with you and and also the the challenge, the inbox challenge that you've got going and how they can find that.

Uriah Guilford 34:40
Definitely. So everything that we do is over on productive therapist comm including the podcast, including the blog, we've got a number of online courses, we've got a really cool membership program that gives people access to all of our courses and some other fun things. So you can take a look at that there including the seven day email transformation challenge. which you can find in the show notes, hopefully to refer people to check that out. And I just think the important thing to me is that we, you know, focus on our work, help our clients and and then get back to enjoying our lives and have some nice balance between the two.

Gordon Brewer 35:18
Right, right in your eyes correct. There'll be links here in the show notes and the show summary to most all the things we talked about here on this episode. So you're right, I know you and I are getting together again next week. And for our focus group, and, you know, one of the things are, are actually mastermind group, I call them focus groups as well. But what one thing I would would mention to folks, just along those lines, and just talking about being productive, I think, seek out ways to get some mentoring and find groups that you can be with, like a mastermind group or a focus group, because it has absolutely not only enriched my life, but also has caused me to be more productive and actually move the needle forward. It's always, always worth the time that I spend in a mastermind group.

Uriah Guilford 36:11
Totally agree. Totally agree.

Gordon Brewer 36:13
Yeah. Yeah. So well, you're I'm sure will be that I'll have you back on again. So thanks, again, for joining me.

Well, I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Uriah as much as I did, there was just, it's always great to connect with him. And I love what he is doing just around productivity, and really focusing in on that with us in our practices. Because as a lot of us figure out along the way it's getting busy is good, but then you've got to manage the busy ness of things. I mean, having a full practice creates a whole other level of stress, you know, going from very few clients, which is stressful in and of itself to a full practice. Again, it's a whole different level of stress and your eyes get some great stuff. And I'd encourage you to go over and check it out. And you can find him at the productive therapist calm. And of course, there are links here in the show summary in shownotes, to be able to hook up with Uriah and find find out about those things that he's offered. So Wow, this, that was a great episode, I just had to I went back and listened to it. And again, just really enjoyed it. And I'll probably listen to it again, because your eyes just full of full of a lot of wisdom with that. So be sure and check out the solo to group practice webinar. It's a free webinar. And you can get to that at practice of therapy.com slash group. And be sure to check that out. It's there for you and you get to schedule, the time that you watch it. And so it's really a good thing. So it's all automated. But I want to invite you to go over to check that out, especially if you're thinking about starting a group practice or going from solo to group but also for those folks that might be just getting started with group practice. I think there'll be some valuable information for you there. And also, as always, be sure and check out our sponsor for the podcast, therapy notes, therapy notes, calm, and they are the leading Electronic Health Record system for mental health providers in private practice. They're who I use my practice, and they have some of the highest ratings of any Electronic Health Record system out there. So be sure to check them out, therapy notes, calm and use the coupon code, or promo code Gordon just Glr doin and you can get two months of their services at no cost. So that is a pretty big deal right there. So be sure and check them out. And so again, thanks for joining me for this particular episode. Do take time to subscribe to the podcast, wherever you might be listening to it. Whether it be on Apple podcast or in Google podcasts or Stitcher or Spotify, Spotify, amazon music, any of those places you should be able to find us and subscribe and leave us a review. I love getting feedback and also a rating so be sure to do that if you will. So thanks again folks. Oh, and just here before we close, be sure and listen to the next two episodes because again, you're getting to hear from some of my inner circle peeps. Whitney Owens and Jessica tapana are going to join me and once you hear the rest of the the two of them You'll see why I love my mastermind groups so much, so be sure to check them out. So, take care folks, have a great rest of your week or weekend, wherever you might be listening to this, and we'll talk to you again next week.

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