The Practice of Therapy

Gordon Brewer 0:00
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Hello, I'm Gordon Brewer, and welcome to the practice of therapy podcast, where we explore the business and clinical sides of running a private practice.

Hello, everyone, this is episode number 235 of the practice of therapy Podcast. I'm Gordon Brewer, glad you join me and glad you've joined us rather, and that this is the last of the podcast takeover by my good friend, Whitney Owens at Whitney owens.com. Whitney has been a dear friend of mine over the last several years, and we are in a mastermind degree gather. And when we came up with his idea of podcast takeover, Whitney jumped down it with me and so glad she did because she's had some great stuff if you haven't done it done. So go back and listen to the last three episodes before this one, where you get to hear from Whitney talking about just her private practice journey. And also her talking about the ebb and flow of private practice. And then also in this last episode, just talking about, about how to be more effective, really with your with your intake calls and what you do as far as, as we like to say converting Enquirer's into clients. And so in this last podcast takeover episode, she talks kind of continues with that topic a little bit with two of my other good friends, Aaron Potratz, and Nathan Hawkins. And they, they join the podcast takeover, where Whitney interviews them and talk about their their business called shrink thing and just some of the work that they're doing around using videos as part of training clients in the intake process. So I'm looking forward to you hearing Whitney's conversation with them. And, and all of that. And also, before we get to Whitney's conversation with Aaron and Nathan, I'd love for you to go over and check out the practice launch club. Right now, especially since we're closing out the month of June, the founding member opportunity is going to be ending and so don't want you to miss out on the discount that that will give you the practice launch club and so bigger be sure to go over to practice of therapy.com/launch club to find out more about that in you're going to hear a little more about that here in the in the intro the promos that we do for our sponsors. So stay tuned for that and also love for you to find out more about our sponsor of the podcast, therapy notes and they you can find them at practice of therapy.com/therapy notes. And so real quickly here before we get to Whitney's conversation with Erin and Nathan love for you to hear more about the launch club and therapy notes.

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Whitney Owens 6:19
Hello, and welcome back to the practice of therapy podcast. This is Whitney Owens Yes, I am finishing up podcast takeover. This is not Gordon's voice with you today. So when Gordon told me to take over this podcast, I was like, Yes, please, because his podcast is awesome. And then he said, You should invite cool people to interview on the show. Well, the first people I thought of were my friends, Aaron Potratz. And Nathan Hawkins. So hey, Gaz. Hello, yes. Hey, y'all. What's happening? Yeah, so how's your day going?

Aaron Potratz 6:56
Great. It's been super busy. We've got a couple of expansions going on. So we're just like running around with all the details, getting keys and office furniture and yeah, living living the dream. Furniture?

Whitney Owens 7:10
A lot. That's good. That means you're gonna have a lot of clients. That's right.

Nathan Hawkins 7:14
Yeah, all you have to do is buy the furniture, and they're gonna show it.

Whitney Owens 7:17
If you build it, they will come. That's right. So tell me, um, for the people that are listening, if they haven't heard of you before, just give us a little snippet about who each of you are a little bit about your practice and what you do.

Nathan Hawkins 7:31
So I'm Nathan Hawkins, do life encounter counseling, and then also, Aaron and I do life discovery counseling, which is another practice together. And that has two locations. And that's one of those locations is moving from one city to another. And then we have a new business too called shrink thing. And also do a shrink think podcast. Your turn here?

Aaron Potratz 7:54
Yeah, yeah, that's exciting. And so we've got I always tell people, it's like a little bit of a yours Mine and Ours situation. You heard the yours of Nathan's business. And then I've got the mine, which is discover counseling. And then the hours is the life discovery counseling. And then we have like babies, we've got shrinking can we've got shrinking podcast. So maybe we'll have some grandbabies. Eventually, with like, some other businesses, you know, it's funny, I was talking with one of the ladies in my mastermind, and she was like, feeling a little down and she was like, I'm feeling down. I think I want to start another business. What we do

Whitney Owens 8:32
that was awesome, that this kind of sometimes what it's like, I was just recording for Gordon show, right before y'all came on, and was talking a little bit about that. How, when my practice was like, running smooth, and I might have been getting a little bored. I was like, what's next? Right?

Nathan Hawkins 8:48
Exactly? Yeah, yeah, your franchise

Whitney Owens 8:51
just gets right. So when I talk to y'all, I feel like next time we do a podcast, we need to do a whiteboard. And you can like draw out your your practice, your practice, our practice, these things are grandbabies will happen. We can have it all on like a family tree whiteboard thing. Awesome. Yeah. So today, we're specifically going to focus on shrink thing, because y'all are launching some really cool stuff. And so Aaron and Nathan, actually, were at the faith and practice podcast, one MSA of faith and practice conference, back in April, where we talked about shrink thing, and they did a presentation and I was so enthralled and excited that I was like you guys have to talk about this on Gordon's podcast because I want everyone to hear about what y'all are doing. So why don't you give them kind of a snippet, and then we can kind of get into the details of it.

Nathan Hawkins 9:38
Yeah, I think the snippet really is that we're doing videos really that are just really short that introduce therapy to people and get people ready to come into your practice as a therapist and like really ready saves I think everybody time I'm let Erin, talk more about it.

Aaron Potratz 9:55
Yeah, there's just as we were doing the podcast, we realized that This is actually a tremendous value. There's there's something here that people don't realize, actually, for us, we didn't realize what we had. We're like, actually, this is really valuable. We're talking about things that most people are like, Wow, can you actually break that down even more? Can you tell us more about that? People that have been in therapy for a long time, it's still tell us like, man, I've been going to therapy for like five years, I still don't know what I'm doing. Or people that are just starting or like, I have no idea what to do. I don't know how this works. And so string thing is, like Nathan said, these educational videos that are online, they're all all digital, that people can watch on their own outside of session before session before they even get started with therapy, to learn about what therapy is how to set their goals, maybe a bit about like insurance and payments and that kind of stuff. What to talk about each week, how to know when they're done with therapy, basically, like Nathan said, just completely get ready for therapy. So they know how to do it well. And the benefit of that is that for therapists who normally have to do this in session over the course of a couple of weeks, or whatever, they can just send a link to shrink, think and give clients access, they'll enroll in the course. And though, watch these videos before sessions, so that therapists don't have to talk about this stuff, it's being done for them. And then for the clients, it's awesome, because they're not paying money. To hear a therapist, it's part of the process, you know, we get it, but they're not paying money to hear somebody kind of talk through them, this administrative stuff that is important for the process, but it's not therapy.

Nathan Hawkins 11:33
Well, not only that, I mean, like, there's a lot of stuff, I think that gets skipped. Because your main a lot of times, I think just asking or answering maybe direct questions that the client has, and then you remember, like, oh, I should probably talk about this too. And we, the thing that we did is just very complete. And when you so when the person came in, they would they will have some expectations for how things are supposed to go. I think that's cool. Because as a therapist the betters more savvy the consumer is, I mean, the better the better I am, because I'm like, they're we're like a team that's trying to fix something trying to fix this problem.

Whitney Owens 12:13
You know, I've heard y'all talk about it before. And you just made me think about a few different things as you were sharing. Even one of my employees, I met with her not too long ago, because she wasn't having great retention. And she just started in the SIR, first time doing private practice. But then I kind of was talking to her about, oh, well, you should say these things to your client, you should say these things. And now as you're talking, I'm like, I wouldn't have even had to have had that meeting. You know, if if she was, you know, had watched the videos, even though this video that you're talking about right now is for clients, but you're speaking as therapists that I can have my therapist, watch those same videos so that they know what y'all are telling the clients. And then they can really expedite treatment and say the right things at the end and things like that. But you know, it's even when I go through training with them, I can't remember everything that I need to tell them, or I told them that they forgot, because they're just flooded with so much information.

Aaron Potratz 13:05
Yeah, that's the cool thing that I think as we're developing this, we're realizing it's great for practice owners, as well like yourself, people that have several different clinicians who you have to manage and supervise. And you don't really know what each person is saying to each client, and you hope there's some consistency, you know, maybe we got to make sure we talk through these these things every time. But you forget or you, you know, get into a groove or whatever. Well, this way you can have consistency for your practice, you can make sure that all of your clinicians are communicating these things to their clients, that all of your clients are hearing the same thing. And then the cool thing that I also really liked, which I do a little bit of this in my training of my employees as well is I'll record some of those things on video or audio, so that people can replay them. So that's a cool thing for clinicians or even clients. They can rewatch the videos and go back and get that information if they're like, oh, yeah, I remember like weeks ago, you know, learning this or whatever, what was that again, and then they will rewatch it whenever they want.

Whitney Owens 14:07
Yeah, and one thing I've heard y'all talking about before is kind of the value of it being someone else other than the actual therapist, right? Because you might be telling a parent that's watching the video for their kid or a client themselves. They might, you might, they might hear something that's a little harsh or a little hard to like, think about. And so you're able to say, you know, instead of the therapist having to address it, or maybe therapists aren't as confront of and so it's good that you're able to do that for them.

Nathan Hawkins 14:35
Yeah, and the other piece too is like I think it weeds stuff out early. I mean, our field is really busy. And I think if people were to listen and then find out like oh, I don't even know if this therapist I am seeing takes Medicaid maybe I didn't ask them that right. So then they call back up and go hey, you know, I guess I can't meet with you because whatever, which we just is what it is because it would have happened anyway. And then you end up not losing that hour because they figure it out ahead of time. The other thing, too, is that a lot of younger therapists don't really understand in working with children, how it works with custody evaluation versus like writing letters and stuff like that. And so this comes up in front and says, This is what your therapist is not going to do. They don't really have to deal with that in the room. Because Because we already do

Whitney Owens 15:25
this good. Yeah. And even as mandatory reporters, I feel like we tell our clients that and they just don't get it or they forget what that is. And then they start telling you things, they're like, Oh, I'm a mandatory reporter. wanna remind you? That's another thing that like, I'm sure you all go through in the videos to help people understand.

Aaron Potratz 15:43
Yeah, exactly. It's, it's really interesting. It's kind of like, a lot of times when you when you speak to these things for people, and I say this in my intake with people, I'll tell them a lot of information, I'll communicate a lot of these things. And I will answer a lot of the questions you had and probably answer a lot of the questions you didn't even know that you had. So when they watch these videos, I'm guessing a lot of people will have, they'll realize they have a lot of assumptions that they didn't even realize were there that will speak to and I was like, oh, oh, I guess I was imagining it would be this other way. And now it's not. So I need to orient this way. Instead, from therapists, you know, you're hearing that from therapists who actually do this. So we're hoping that it just gets everybody kind of on the same page. And that's kind of our slogan is bridging the gap between clients and therapists?

Whitney Owens 16:32
I love that. Yeah. So let's go through some logistics. You know, me, I like logistics and practicality, and how's it actually going to work? So, okay, so let's say that somebody's listening, and they're thinking, Okay, this sounds really cool. Like, how do they actually get in it? And how do they send the videos? And like, what, step by step is the client going to go through? If you can kind of walk through that process?

Aaron Potratz 16:53
Yeah, yeah, it's been a, it's me, because it's been a bit of a technical beast to figure out with all the platforms, but what we figured it out. So here's what you do. If you're a therapist who go to string think.com, and you will click on the link to subscribe to our, our membership package. So it's a monthly membership fee. And that gives you access to all of our videos, and it gives you the ability to send that the link to all of your clients. So your you as the therapists are going to pay a monthly subscription fee 2495, right now, for these orientation videos, and then you'll get an email that tells you what to do. And it's going to tell you what to communicate to your client, like how to say it to them, like over the phone or in an email, because, you know, you need to communicate that right off the bat. And then also where to put that in your intake paperwork, just a little statement that's got, you know, a reference to these videos and how they're helpful. And then there's going to be a link with a code in it. And that's what you're going to send to your clients. So if you just copy and paste that into your intake document, then it's automatically going to get sent out to all of your clients. And hopefully, that's going to be an automated process now from now on. So that when clients come in for the first session, or some people, they will check in before the first session and make sure they filled out the paperwork, they'll say, and also did you happen to watch those strengthening videos to get oriented, and so you can follow up and make sure that people have done that. Now on the client side, what they will do is they will get that email that will take them over to our course platform. And they will enroll in the course just like you're gonna, you know, enroll in some other Mastermind course or an educational course somewhere out there. And they will watch through these videos, they'll see their progress. We will have we've got the text of it, the transcript on the page so people can reference it again. And they'll complete the course and be ready for therapy.

Whitney Owens 18:59
Great, great. And can you I know you're probably not gonna remember all the courses. I think I remember you saying it's about an hour long. Like the whole process for new therapists. I mean, sorry for a new client. Can you kind of walk through what you're talking about in the videos again, kind of step by step?

Nathan Hawkins 19:17
Yeah, I'm actually, I am actually looking up strengthening.com. That's awesome. Let's just see what's you know, because when Eric and I recorded him, we basically did to differ, like I did three and he did three, which those three were broken down even more. So the videos are only like, about I want to say maybe two minutes each. So they people can feel kind of accomplished as they go. That's nice. And when we talk about things like the differences between a psychiatrist psychologist and psychotherapist licensed clinical social workers and I just got

Aaron Potratz 20:00
them right here. The topics right here are orienting so that I can five different six different modules. And I actually have only four or five written down. But orienting to therapy. So like the theoretical approach for the personality and fit, it's kind of a bit of like how you pick your therapist, and how to know if this person is going to be right for you. Which is funny, because sometimes people have done that research before they come to us, as therapists, and sometimes clients, really, they have not, they're just reaching out to a bunch of people. And so maybe this will help. The way I kind of thought about it was it'll give people an idea of, if this is the right person, you'll feel good about it, you're like, Oh, good. After watching these videos, you realize, yeah, this therapist is the person I want to work with. Or you'll realize, oh, actually, I'm meeting somebody who's a specialist in this other area that I need. Maybe this might not be a good fit. And maybe I can bring that up in the first session to actually address. So orienting and then there's a getting started in therapy. So it's kind of like, what happens in the first session, like, what do you share and not share? How often do you meet with somebody? How to talk about treatment planning, or evaluating your your experience after the first session? So it's kind of like, okay, I did therapy, I had this one session, right? Okay, what does that even mean? Like? Was it good? Not good? And how do I even know if that was helpful or beneficial or on track with what I wanted. And then you have like this working well, with your therapist, when you get stuck and other difficult issues, topics that are really about working with your therapist, some of the nuances of that, we talked about some of those things on our podcast, the string thing podcast like honesty, the therapist, your therapist is not your friend actually had a client that referred somebody. And she reached out to me and said, Hey, I think I need to schedule with one of your therapists, because I listened to your podcast, called your therapist is not your friend. And she was like, Yeah, my therapist is acting like my friend. And that's why we're not going anywhere, any therapist, and no offense to that therapist, but she just said realized, it's just, she's gotten everything that she needed out of that person. And she was ready to move in a different direction. And now she knew exactly what that thing was. And so then lastly, you know, how to recognize your progress and know when you're done. And then I think Nathan, there was another one that's about like finances, like insurance and that kind of thing. Is that the winning job done? Yeah.

Nathan Hawkins 22:26
Yeah, cash pay, and finances and insurance. So the benefit of cash pay stuff like, hey, like, you know, trying to encourage people to really consider that because you don't have a diagnosis, it's going to be easier. It's easier on everybody all the way around. But then also explaining like AAPs, like, what those are, and how, you know, I think I think I even might have done it now. Like the idea of how clinicians decide to get involved in different insurance places. Like why they do what they do, like they might not be on your panel, you know, I don't necessarily go outside and say, because that company sucks, and they don't pay. But that's what's happening anyway. But yeah, so and the diversity of Medicare and Medicaid, and that kind of thing.

Whitney Owens 23:17
Yeah, well, this is super helpful. And I think that all practice owners would really benefit from this. And really, their clients, if you're going to expedite treatment, have better treatment outcomes, very likely, because clients are going to know things. And you're gonna save so much time, most definitely. And then I think we talked about, you've got some other ideas as far as like videos, maybe for training for group practices. Tell us a little bit about what you're thinking in the future?

Aaron Potratz 23:41
Yes, yes, we have a little bit of a roadmap that we've mapped out and got some of the content already mapped out. But you were talking with me earlier about. Like, if you're your therapist is going to see a child and they need to work with the parents or whatever. And how we can speak to some of that. I mean, that's one of the probably the most difficult things therapists have to do is to communicate with parents about their children or work with parents who may be difficult to work with. And so we want to be able to address that like, Okay, if you're, if your child is going to go to therapy, here are all the things that you need to know to get oriented, or couples therapy was another thing we were talking about orienting because it's different from an individual, right? There are things that people need to know that therapists will do and not do, and it's just a different vibe. It's a different way of going about things and you want to pick a different therapist for that than you would for an individual therapist. Like it's funny that people might not know that there are therapists out there that are like Nope, I don't see couples. I don't I do not like working with couples. I just stick with individuals. And some couples are very highly trained. So

Nathan Hawkins 24:49
yeah, like so maybe even doing some future stuff like inpatient versus outpatient. Just getting people to understand how that's how those transitions work. I don't I don't know. so that we don't necessarily go into specific ever, like diagnoses or anything like that, because, but that's not I don't think totally off the table for some of the stuff that seems a little bit more kind of overblown, where people are like, Why is everybody calling me bipolar? Because I feel like that was like, way overstated all the time. And it actually has it, maybe

Aaron Potratz 25:19
we'd have to do one that's like, your, your girlfriend's emotions, that do not mean that she's bipolar. Her husband is not narcissist is not a narcissist, right? He doesn't know how to communicate about his feelings. It's like those kinds of things that everybody talks about.

Whitney Owens 25:35
Yeah, yeah. And I think when we were at the conference, we also talked a little bit about training videos for therapists at group practices. That's something I'm actually very interested in.

Nathan Hawkins 25:47
Yeah, we're really excited about that. The so imagine, because, oh, my gosh, you know, as a practice, Owner, when you hire somebody, like how much time it takes to just orient them to your practice, let them know what's going on? What are the ways that you do it? But even inside the what are the ways that you do it, there's a bunch that is just across the board, that needs to happen that that Aaron and I, for example, can explain that's very general, and really annoying to repeat, like, quite frankly, because the other piece of the pie is that you want to set this new clinician up for success. And honestly, a lot of times, I mean, you're you kind of feel like you're the only one that can do it, you can't really pass that off. Like just a situation that's like where you're like, Oh, I've got this other person who's clinical director, and maybe I'll have them do it, it's like, Well, you probably got where you are, because you understand how to move how to move clinicians in a place. And maybe it's not like this thing where you can just rubber stamp it. So it's, and then clinicians moving from Community Mental Health to private practice. What's the difference with that, I mean, helping them to understand how to talk about cache, or how to well not even just cache, but how to actually take money, they're very uncomfortable when a lot of times coming in, and now they have to ask for money. If if your site is set up in such a way that that maybe their reception or whatever, it doesn't take it. But But no matter what, at that therapist is probably going to get questions about finances. And so how to navigate that. I don't know if you have anything to add there.

Aaron Potratz 27:17
Yeah, it's it's that whole idea of consistency throughout your practice, and then repeating things outside of, of like a supervision meeting, or an orientation or training meeting, that can happen, you know, before like, on somebody's own time, I just was this week having I just hired a new guy, and he's great, very intelligent, comes from, he was in academia before, but and has worked in a private practice before, but not super experienced with the private practice world. And so there were a bunch of things that I needed to teach him. And we've been discovering this week that there were some miscues and misunderstandings about some of this stuff. And so I've had to repeat some of it to him, I've had to kind of go into some more of the details and repeat some of that, well, if we had videos up, then I would send them over to those videos. And he can watch those and know exactly what to say to their to his clients. And then he can go back and rewatch those because maybe he kind of understood it the first time. And then maybe started working with a few clients, and was like, Oh, I think I know a little bit better what that means, but I want to go rewatch I think there was something in it that was really Oh, yes, I said I was missing that piece. So it can actually be a little bit of a guide for therapists. And if not just orienting you know, like I worked at this Circuit City plays you know, like a Best Buy way back in the day before anybody got hired, you sit in front of a computer and like, watch all day and like take a stupid test and then then you can work there. It's not like that. It's like so much more interactive and updated information that we can give people that they'll know stuff and then also know what to do and what to say for their clients.

Whitney Owens 28:58
Yeah, I can't imagine the two of y'all being boring actually.

Aaron Potratz 29:02
We get bored with ourselves and then we're like, Okay, it's time to spice it up here

Whitney Owens 29:07
are time to start a new business. Yeah, I think I think this is awesome. I'm really excited about this getting up and going and getting involved in it trying it out. And I know you also have an email list is that right?

Aaron Potratz 29:23
We do it's up on string think.com

Whitney Owens 29:25
Okay, great. So make sure you listen to this episode that you join the email list that you can find out when new products services thing different videos are coming out you can get those emails and know exactly when it happens.

Gordon Brewer 29:49
Well, big thanks to Whitney Aaron and Nathan for being on this podcast takeover. And I'm so glad that Whitney invited air and innate and they are two good ones. And I'd love for you to go over check out their things at the shrink think podcast.com to shrink think podcast.com. And there'll be links here in the show notes in the show summary, to find out more about that. And, again, I can't say enough about the fact that Whitney was willing to do this podcast takeover for the month of June. And I think we'll probably end up having to do this more often. Because I think it just gives some more unique voices to this whole space around private practice. And one of the things I will say about most all of the consultants that we work with are, at least that I work with are just in this private practice space, are so collaborative, and so giving, and we just help each other out so much of appreciative to Whitney and just the work that she's done, doing around faith based practices and that whole niche, and then just several others, like Nathan and Aaron, and then others Uriah gilfer, Jessica Tapana. And her nesto says Men Gudo, and David Hall and just tons of others that are out there that are good friends that glad they're glad they're doing the work that they're doing, and that helping folks like you that are listening to those podcasts be successful in their practices, and just the diversity of help that you've got. Now it hasn't always been that way. So anyway, didn't mean to get too far off on a tangent. I'd love for you, though before, before the end of June comes to go and check out the practice launch club. And particularly if you're in those beginning stages of running a private practice or starting a private practice, the practice launch club is there to provide you the resources and support that you need to get that started. So be sure to check it out at practice of therapy.com/launch club. And also I'd love for you to find out more about therapy notes. They are the leading electronic health record system for private practices. And they are who I use in my practice, so couldn't do without them. So be sure and check them out at practice of therapy.com/therapy notes and use the promo code Gordon just gr d o n, and you can try them out for two months for free. And also before we close out this particular episode, I'd love for you to take time to go into your podcasts or wherever you're listening to this and click on that follow button and follow us wherever you're listening to the podcast. It just helps us get our ratings up and helps other people find it. And also just lets me know that you're, you're enjoying the podcast. And also you can leave us a review and also a rating of the podcast that also helps as well. So take care folks, again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Whitney Owens for the podcast takeover in June. And for those of you listening that haven't maybe heard the other three episodes besides this one, go back and check them out because they're good episode. So Take care, folks, and we'll be with you. From here on out. Take care. You have been listening to the practice of therapy podcast with Gordon Brewer, part of the psych craft network of podcasts. Please visit us at practice of therapy.com For more information, resources and tools to help you in starting, building and growing your private practice. And if you haven't done so already, please sign up to receive the free private practice startup guide and practice of therapy.com. The information in this podcast is intended to be accurate and authoritative concerning the subject matter covered. It is given with the understanding that neither the host guests or producers are rendering legal accounting or clinical advice. If you need a professional, you should find the right person for them.